Origin of Consequence

#1 · 01/30/2021, 10:45 am

Quote from Yahunatan on 01/30/2021, 10:45 am
Someone asked a humble, sincere question and am going to share it here:

Anyway, I just read about Abraham dying, but something else has been bothering me that I read before. It was about his daughters getting him drunk and becoming pregnant by him. There must be an explanation, but how does this make sense? How could such a thing be okay? The only thing that comes to mind is that the situation was somehow different, where incest didn’t have the same effect that it does now. I mean, a lot of things were different. People lived a lot longer and such.

Any explanation would be nice if you have one.

Let's help to open the curtain a bit more so one can see what is going on. After reading this, it is good to go back and read the story again and some things will start to pop up.

This particular story is a side story which isn't directed at Abraham. This portion is about the actions of Lot, Abraham's nephew (from his brother's side). The story is explaining the origin of two groups of people: the Moabites and the Ammonites. You will find these two groups are constantly fighting against the seed of Abraham throughout scripture.

There are many messages woven in this story, yet the key one for you that will be shared is the message of consequences. Let's explain.

Lot was able to cross over to a new land with Abraham yet lacked the spirit of what led them there in the first place. He focused on the land according to personal desire. Because of this, he became heavily involved with the people of Sodom and dwelt there. This is where he eventually settled, raised his family, and ran into all sorts of problems. He loses what he has gained. One of the key consequences, though, is his family seed line—affected by his wife and two daughters. His wife, for instance, "turns back" to Sodom (more can be said about this). The daughters, although saved, were taught the ways of Sodom even though they were separated from the city.

Many people don't understand what Sodom represents and only use it to point to certain types of sin. The key obstruction they promoted (which defiled the land) was the overall obstruction of sexualization, regardless of it being adultery, incest, homosexuality, wanton lusts, and others. This obstruction is seen clearly to be passed on to Lot's daughters.

The problems seen here are very simple. First of all, Lot is not paying attention and is eventually made "drunk". You will find this reference throughout scripture and comes as early as the story of Adam. Take a look at the story of Noah, for example, when he is drunk. When the father or husband is made drunk, curses easily fall upon them because they aren't paying attention and doing their work. This, in turn, allows those under them to make rash decisions (as Eve by eating the forbidden fruit and those afterward). This rash decision the daughters make in secret is according to perverse wisdom. Secondly, they are impatient and do not have faith. Remember the story of Sarah who brings in her hand-maiden to Abraham? Same sort of situation. Instead of waiting (as Noah did in the Ark) and considering what the messengers had done for them, they pursued an answer according to worldly, socially-accepted actions, allowing fear (the end of the world) to dictate their misguidance.

This, in turn, leads to serious consequences that not only affected them, yet two nations that come from their womb!

Much, much, much more can be said here, yet please take it one step at a time. One lesson to take of this is how easy it is to stray from the message of scripture! The scriptures act as a sword of truth—it can be dangerous if you do not know what you are welding. That's why you need to practice diligently before even considering a thought to go out to a battle. Also, when reading scripture, take your time and don't read it so fast. Ask for the Spirit of understanding to enter. It is better to practice one move multiple times than it is to be lukewarm in many moves. It will take practice and consistency.

One last thought. When reading scripture, take time to start looking at the meaning of words. Everything there has a purpose. There are repeating theme cycles throughout the scriptures that progresses beyond the book of Genesis. Take, for example, the original Star Wars movie. When you read the script, do you just read the dialogue or the scenes they partake in? There is much more going on!

Much more vast in scope is the scriptures.

Yahunatan

Someone asked a humble, sincere question and am going to share it here:

Anyway, I just read about Abraham dying, but something else has been bothering me that I read before. It was about his daughters getting him drunk and becoming pregnant by him. There must be an explanation, but how does this make sense? How could such a thing be okay? The only thing that comes to mind is that the situation was somehow different, where incest didn’t have the same effect that it does now. I mean, a lot of things were different. People lived a lot longer and such.

Any explanation would be nice if you have one.

Let's help to open the curtain a bit more so one can see what is going on. After reading this, it is good to go back and read the story again and some things will start to pop up.

This particular story is a side story which isn't directed at Abraham. This portion is about the actions of Lot, Abraham's nephew (from his brother's side). The story is explaining the origin of two groups of people: the Moabites and the Ammonites. You will find these two groups are constantly fighting against the seed of Abraham throughout scripture.

There are many messages woven in this story, yet the key one for you that will be shared is the message of consequences. Let's explain.

Lot was able to cross over to a new land with Abraham yet lacked the spirit of what led them there in the first place. He focused on the land according to personal desire. Because of this, he became heavily involved with the people of Sodom and dwelt there. This is where he eventually settled, raised his family, and ran into all sorts of problems. He loses what he has gained. One of the key consequences, though, is his family seed line—affected by his wife and two daughters. His wife, for instance, "turns back" to Sodom (more can be said about this). The daughters, although saved, were taught the ways of Sodom even though they were separated from the city.

Many people don't understand what Sodom represents and only use it to point to certain types of sin. The key obstruction they promoted (which defiled the land) was the overall obstruction of sexualization, regardless of it being adultery, incest, homosexuality, wanton lusts, and others. This obstruction is seen clearly to be passed on to Lot's daughters.

The problems seen here are very simple. First of all, Lot is not paying attention and is eventually made "drunk". You will find this reference throughout scripture and comes as early as the story of Adam. Take a look at the story of Noah, for example, when he is drunk. When the father or husband is made drunk, curses easily fall upon them because they aren't paying attention and doing their work. This, in turn, allows those under them to make rash decisions (as Eve by eating the forbidden fruit and those afterward). This rash decision the daughters make in secret is according to perverse wisdom. Secondly, they are impatient and do not have faith. Remember the story of Sarah who brings in her hand-maiden to Abraham? Same sort of situation. Instead of waiting (as Noah did in the Ark) and considering what the messengers had done for them, they pursued an answer according to worldly, socially-accepted actions, allowing fear (the end of the world) to dictate their misguidance.

This, in turn, leads to serious consequences that not only affected them, yet two nations that come from their womb!

Much, much, much more can be said here, yet please take it one step at a time. One lesson to take of this is how easy it is to stray from the message of scripture! The scriptures act as a sword of truth—it can be dangerous if you do not know what you are welding. That's why you need to practice diligently before even considering a thought to go out to a battle. Also, when reading scripture, take your time and don't read it so fast. Ask for the Spirit of understanding to enter. It is better to practice one move multiple times than it is to be lukewarm in many moves. It will take practice and consistency.

One last thought. When reading scripture, take time to start looking at the meaning of words. Everything there has a purpose. There are repeating theme cycles throughout the scriptures that progresses beyond the book of Genesis. Take, for example, the original Star Wars movie. When you read the script, do you just read the dialogue or the scenes they partake in? There is much more going on!

Much more vast in scope is the scriptures.

Yahunatan